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I remember several years ago, when I was a sub… they were predicting the “storm of the century” snow storm… I think this was like on a Thursday, and the storm was supposed to hit early the next week… and so, my Reg promptly put in for leave…

And, at that time, I thought this was really a crappy thing to do… I didn’t even have a 4-wheel drive vehicle at the time, and my Reg did… but, now that I’m older and wiser… and a Regular…  I’m thinking, well, I did EARN that leave, AND the contract DOES say that I should be able to use it when I want to…  so really is it “wrong” for me to take few days of leave to avoid some crappy weather???  Confused

Back to the original snow storm of several years ago… it missed us, so it ended up not being such a big deal anyways… but it coulda been…  Surprised

So, what say you… is it right or wrong???  The Blue Flu… it’s a real thing…  Wink

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As a sub, I have been dealt shit by regulars all the time so I think its wrong, But next bad snow shower on sat karma will strike.

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I guess it is maybe just a matter of perspective tho… I got dumped on all the time as a sub… had to work all Saturdays, all day’s after holidays, all crappy weather days, etc., etc… and I was a RCA for almost 12 YEARS… and so, now I sorta feel like I already did my share of the $#i+ work… so maybe I should share in the fun and let somebody else have it for a while… Cool

Of course, I was grumbling and cussin’ when I had to do it… but I’m thnkin’ now is my time to look out the window of my house, and say, my, my, doesn’t that snow look pretty, and gee, I wonder if I should walk down and check the mail yet???  Smile

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It’s not “right” but if management lets them do that, then that’s that. 

If a regular at my office consistently did this kind of thing, I’d just let them know that I think they’re lazy. 

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If you read my post above, you might have noticed that I said, for about 12 years, while I was an RCA, I got to hog all of the “fun” by working every Saturday, every day after a holiday, every crappy weather day… so is that lazy???  And now, I’ve not been a Regular for 12 years yet… so now maybe it’s my time to not have to work every Saturday, every day after a holiday, every crappy weather day… or, are you saying after doing this for 12 years as an RCA, that I should now just continue on doing it for the next 12 years as a Regular???  When do I get to be the one sitting home looking out the window at the pretty snow???  Confused

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D.B.Cooper — “they were predicting the “storm of the century” snow storm…”

—  That probably would be March 1993 when all states east of Mississippi River had snow on the ground by the time the storm was over as well as record cold temperatures.

—  Depending where one was, the area could have been affected as early as 11-12 March.   

—  I was in Mississippi when it hit on Friday, the 13th — appropriate.  Luckily, didn’t have to go anywhere over the weekend although my morning jogging got a bit interesting.

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D.B.Cooper said
If you read my post above, you might have noticed that I said, for about 12 years, while I was an RCA, I got to hog all of the “fun” by working every Saturday, every day after a holiday, every crappy weather day… so is that lazy???  And now, I’ve not been a Regular for 12 years yet… so now maybe it’s my time to not have to work every Saturday, every day after a holiday, every crappy weather day… or, are you saying after doing this for 12 years as an RCA, that I should now just continue on doing it for the next 12 years as a Regular???  When do I get to be the one sitting home looking out the window at the pretty snow???  Confused  

Nobody is saying you should have to work all of those days. 

But if you insist on taking off every day where weather is an issue, you’re lazy. 

You’re more experienced, know your route best, you get paid more, you get benefits. If you’re only working the easiest days out of the year then you are certainly lazy. I’d gladly work those hours and I’d gladly call you lazy. I’m not interested in maintaining good at-work relationships with bad coworkers. 

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I guess you’re saying that if YOU have to work every Saturday, and every day after a holiday, and every crappy weather day for 12 years as an RCA, then when YOU finally make Regular, then you’re still gonna work on all of those days… all I can say is, good for you… and I wonder if you will feel that way in 12 years… I guess time will tell…  Wink

As a Regular, I get 20 days of AL and 13 days of SL a year… and I’m supposed to be able to use those according to my discretion, according to the contract… so I actually feel it is not anybody elses place to tell me how or when I should use them… I certainly don’t recall any Regs ever asking me my opinion about when I thought they should be able to use their leave when I was an RCA… but, I suppose now that I’m a Regular, all of a sudden now I should consult everybody to make sure I’m not stepping on their toes or hurting their feelings about when I’m taking MY leave…  DOH!?!?  Surprised

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I guess you’re saying that if YOU have to work every Saturday, and every day after a holiday, and every crappy weather day for 12 years as an RCA, then when YOU finally make Regular, then you’re still gonna work on all of those days… all I can say is, good for you… and I wonder if you will feel that way in 12 years… I guess time will tell…  Wink  

I tend to not let other people’s shortcomings at work negatively affect MY work ethic. 

Maybe you’re right about my feelings on this changing after awhile. I’m sorry your regular was so selfish. 

But like I’ve already said; I don’t think regulars should have to work all of the most difficult days…they’d be better coworkers if they worked a good chunk of them though. Do you dispute that? 

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Lots of different ways to look at it… some might argue that a new RCA is younger and more durable, and not so old and worn out as many Regulars may be from years of abuse already endured… and in that case, maybe it would make sense to let the RCA work “a good chunk” of the crappy days… that way they can prove their worth, and ability to do such work… and at the same time, allow the old tired Reg some time to rest and relax…

As stated in the above post, we only get so many days of leave per year, so we are gonna be working “a good chunk”, or a majority of the days anyways… I recall as a RCA, I did have to work a lot of the crappy days, but I was younger then, and that did make it easier, physically… and usually it was only 1 or 2 days, so it wasn’t normally 5 or 6 in a row like most Regs have to do…

I guess right or wrong might be like fine art… it’s in the eye of the beholder…  Surprised

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Fair enough. Agree to disagree. 

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Work ethic, ha. If we belonged to a system where that was rewarded, then go for it. For me it’s either lazy (take the leave)  or stupid (work the storm). 

Interesting also implying that laziness, or working smarter not harder, is “wrong”

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One other point I would like to make tho… is that times have changed… when I was an RCA back in the day… it was a given that the day after a holiday, the PO was gonna be filled with ALL of the subs, and the Regs were gonna be off… and nobody really questioned that or expected anything different…

Now, just based upon comments in this thread, and what I see at my PO, times have changed… wasn’t too long ago, my sub called in sick the day before the day after Veterans Day, and so I got called in to cover for my sub, on my day off… back in the day, I figured I would have at a minimum been in for a serious @$$ chewing for pulling such a thing, but as far as I know nothing was said to my sub… so, nowadays, I guess subs rule the PO… keep ’em at all costs… and gawd forbid expect them to work any crappy days…  else, the subs will be waiting at the door when you come in to tell you that you’re “lazy”… Surprised  the times they are a changin’…  Wink

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Change indeed. The main thing I think though is that certain regulars and subs have reputations and personalities. Calling off a big storm is one thing, calling off every rainy day is another…

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I recall when I was a sub, they’d hired another sub for a different route, and this fellow took to it like a duck to water… he was killing it in no time… turned out he had a son who played baseball on his high school team, and was like an all star player, so the guy asked if he could be off on a couple of Saturdays to watch his kid play… fired him the next week… indeed times have changed…  Frown

Nowadays, they’d have told him sure go ahead and take the week off…  Surprised

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Damn right once i become regular I’m going to shit on the subs on purpose as much as I can. Just like they do to me.

Bad weather day? I’m sick

Nasty looking boxholder? Im sick

Oh there’s a NASCAR race this weekend? Tons of traffic and roadblocks, I’m sick

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D.B.Cooper said
I recall when I was a sub, they’d hired another sub for a different route, and this fellow took to it like a duck to water… he was killing it in no time… turned out he had a son who played baseball on his high school team, and was like an all star player, so the guy asked if he could be off on a couple of Saturdays to watch his kid play… fired him the next week… indeed times have changed…  Frown

Nowadays, they’d have told him sure go ahead and take the week off…  Surprised  

It all changed when regulars were allowed/made to work Saturdays for DACA codes. I remember the Union presentation on that contract. I’m thinking Jeanette was the speaker. She warned us to think very carefully before voting yes. It seems the post Office is always two steps ahead to take advantage of the new provisions in contracts. I can’t wait for the Industrial Study.

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D.B., in your original post, you mentioned that at the time as an RCA, you thought “it was a crappy thing to do”.  Do you remember how you felt “sucking it up” and working?  

Do you feel “right” passing that feeling on to the sub you (fortunately) have now?  Or would you feel better treating your sub the way you would have liked to have been treated back in the day?

It is a painful reality that after years of toiling away under worsening conditions and sinking morale, regulars get more and more removed from “whence they came” and the “I’ve earned this!” feeling permeates every decision.

On the flip side, I have tried to think of the sub’s feelings and my effect on his/her attitude with the choices I make, and I still get used like a doormat by subs despite my trying to be considerate. 

Somewhere in between is the sweet spot, where no one feels so abused and disregarded—finding it is not so easy.

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I think sometimes I just was born at the wrong time… when I was a kid, if I acted up in school, I got my @$$ busted… if I said something about it at home, I got it busted again… then when I became a parent, it suddenly became child abuse if you raised a hand against a child… now as a mail carrier, when I was a sub, it was expected that I should be shat upon, and fired if I didn’t say, I like it, I love it, and I want some more of it… now that I’m a Regular, all of sudden let’s be kinder and gentler or else you’re a “lazy” s.o.b. Regular…  ConfusedLaugh

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Seems to me, you know it’s not right, but are looking for others to agree with such behavior so that you can assuage your guilty conscience and pretend it’s not a crappy thing when YOU do it to someone else. That voice in your head that is looking for reassurance is karma telling you to listen to your conscience.

 

You didn’t like it when it was done to you, don’t do it to others.

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