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I’ve been on my Aux since 2015 and my family count was never right. Shows as 300 when it should be 418. Brought this up during the 2015 and 2016 counts and it was never corrected, and I was told by PM that it doesn’t really matter. My question is- does it really matter? I mean as far as evaluation. Was told it’s only for boxholder amounts, and mine are usually about right. If this is the case, why is it right at the front of the mail count guide if it doesn’t affect the count?

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I’m hearing crickets.

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Never believe the PM. I was RCA on my route, and the reg asked questions like this and got bs answers. When I took over as reg, the grievances flew. I gained 30 boxes and 3 miles. 

Make sure your edit book is correct, submit with it in writing that you want this adjusted, the 4003 adjusted to match the box count and 4241 adjusted. It’s all electronic now, so 3 days is more than enough time. Grieve it after 3 days.

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CR — “I’ve been on my Aux since 2015 and my family count was never right. Shows as 300 when it should be 418. Brought this up during the 2015 and 2016 counts and it was never corrected, and I was told by PM that it doesn’t really matter. “

—  Chirp!  Use a count calculator here in RI ( Thanx, frozen toes ) and plug in your last count’s data.  Use the correct line for a “non-L” or “L” route.  Any apartment NDCBU’s?  Enter “300” for the number of regular boxes.  Then enter “418”.   Make your own determination if it “really matters.”

—  Follow “Morty’s” advice.   At least now you know that if the PM’s lips are moving, probably BS coming out.

“Was told it’s only for boxholder amounts, and mine are usually about right. “

—  That is a bit strange.   

—  What is on the 4003 regarding Regular Boxes, Centralized Boxes, Stops?

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I’ve been on my Aux since 2015 and my family count was never right. Shows as 300 when it should be 418. Brought this up during the 2015 and 2016 counts and it was never corrected, and I was told by PM that it doesn’t really matter. My question is- does it really matter? I mean as far as evaluation. Was told it’s only for boxholder amounts, and mine are usually about right. If this is the case, why is it right at the front of the mail count guide if it doesn’t affect the count?  

What document are you talking about? If you’re talking about the red book and the 4003 then you’ve been getting screwed.

BUT if you’re talking about the 4240 being wrong I wouldn’t worry too much. In my old office Mgmt. couldn’t even get the right names on ours. Mine had a subs name on it that had quit months before. The 4240 (while it should be correct) is not the document to worry about, it does not determine your pay.

The 4003 (rural route description) is the form that determines your pay. If you don’t have a copy at your case then ask for a copy and make sure it’s correct. When things work as they’re supposed to, you as carrier make changes, additions or deletions to your red book, that is then taken by Mgmt. and along with the 4003 sent to AMS to get both your red book updated and the route info (your pay if needed) updated.

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4003 is the form that is key.. if that is correct u r good.. the box count is what is important.. make sure during count when you have bh’s., they put your correct number in that column.. not 1 for set.. not 300.. but 418..

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Alright, y’all are confusing me now.  It seems we’re talking about two different things in this thread.

I was under the impression that family count was the total number of residential boxes a route has, as opposed to business boxes.  This would affect how many boxholders you get because boxholders are usually not for businesses.  It isn’t the same as total boxes served.

I honestly don’t know if this number makes much of a difference during mail count.  It isn’t listed anywhere on the calculators.  All I can see is maybe it does matter when it comes to boxholder count.  Or am I just completely misunderstanding the discussion here?

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4003. if that doesn’t have the correct number of boxes, wrong pay.. your boxholder information would come from your edit book. that is where the codes for homes and business would be seperated..

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blamethesub said
Alright, y’all are confusing me now.  It seems we’re talking about two different things in this thread.

I was under the impression that family count was the total number of residential boxes a route has, as opposed to business boxes.  This would affect how many boxholders you get because boxholders are usually not for businesses.  It isn’t the same as total boxes served.

I honestly don’t know if this number makes much of a difference during mail count.  It isn’t listed anywhere on the calculators.  All I can see is maybe it does matter when it comes to boxholder count.  Or am I just completely misunderstanding the discussion here?  

Family is your residential.

Business is business.

If you have other listed, that’s usually a hardship.

If your boxholders are only for residential, they will say “residential customer” in the postage block.

If that block says “postal customer”, all customers get one.  Take the piddly credit and run.  🙂

And yes, your stops matter if you are in a POV.  Once I got my stops updated, my EMA went up.  Not by leaps and bounds, but I’ll take nickels, dimes and quarters any way I can get ’em.

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OK, here’s a question. What if a residential customer is a bachelor? Is that a family?   bachelorete? family

What if 2 friends are in a home? Familiy?     what if 2 friends have their family move in?  2 families in that one box?

What if 5 friends live in a home and each brings their spouses and their parents?    10 families?

what if those same 5 bring their parents and step parents?  20 families? 15?   

Anyway,  used to be back in the olden days when I started, if you had boxholder for a nursing home you dropped off the # of boxholders for the # of residents

Same when you had 3 or 4 families living in same house or using the same mailbox.   Remember up to 5 families can use the same box as long as they use the same primary address. 

Technically the # of boxholders going to families is greater than the # of residential boxes you have.  That is why you use the FAMILY count when counting boxholders………    unless of course the mailer says residential customer only or business customer only, or both.

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Reads like you need correct your edit book. There is a column that states drop.. Put the known total there.

When multiple family’s use one box for delivery, it’s up to the primary box owner to be responsible for COA’S. 

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The only reason that family count should be higher than your actual residential box count is if you have drops; which when families were all using the same address and getting mail in one box before 911 addressing was created.  

For instance; if you had one box, but 3 families got mail in it (all using the same address) you would put it on the edit sheet as drop 3; meaning you put 3 box holders in it when you had a box holder.  That’s the only time you credit for more box holders than boxes; is if you had these drops and you were suppose to get a family count instead of box count for these.  

I don’t see how you could have than many more families than boxes and we really wouldn’t be privy to what the living arrangements in each address are; that’s more like you’re just using how many different names are getting mail in a box and there can be several different names in one family unit. 

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