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PM got email today about count.

Of 9 routes in mix between APO and RMPO only mine in APO and one in RMPO can option to opt out. We can opt in if we choose. 

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Faceindawind said
PM got email today about count.

Of 9 routes in mix between APO and RMPO only mine in APO and one in RMPO can option to opt out. We can opt in if we choose.   

If it was good for the PO they would make it mandatory for all routes to be counted. 

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Faceindawind said
PM got email today about count.

Of 9 routes in mix between APO and RMPO only mine in APO and one in RMPO can option to opt out. We can opt in if we choose.   

So have you decided if you’re gonna stay in, or opt out???  Confused

Nice that they let you know tho…  Surprised

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Anyone can opt out if they would like, it just doesn’t mean anything if your manager is going to opt your route in. To actually not count the manager and the carrier must opt out, management is all in, in my area.

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Faceindawind said
PM got email today about count.

Of 9 routes in mix between APO and RMPO only mine in APO and one in RMPO can option to opt out. We can opt in if we choose.   

There is no such thing as opting IN. You either opt OUT or just do nothing. Doing nothing will get you counted no matter what mgmt wants. Opting out is where mgmt can cause you to count anyways… unless they agree with you. Good luck.

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Since the choice is open….I’ll opt out. Bad timing for routes in office. 2nd and 3rd week of the month are heavier than the other 2 for letter mail based on DPS #s. This is the time all routes get their municipal electric, water, phone bills. All routes have snowbird issues. Both campgrounds open from mid April to late Nov, with around 40 repeat all season customers are off my route. There is only 1 box at one location and the other has 17. So no mail or parcels there this time of year. Also have seen mail vanish when count time is upon us.

I am also happy with my 45J/L pay for the run. I’m beating eval by an average of +2hrs daily. Also have 2 new houses and 6 new APTs being built now all to be completed by April. Those should bump me up with present bank time. 

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I’m thinking I’ll likely fill out the opt out form and hand it in… then whatever happens, happens… I just think it’s a royal PITA, so I’ll skip it if I can…  Confused

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I figure I’m pretty close to my 4240 and my last 4241…as long as the 4003 has been processed timely and accuratly,& updated, my route is fine.

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We were told all routes in the office are counting this year.  I turned in the opt-out form anyway.

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We were told no one can opt out of Count this year. But the PM passed around opt out forms to be filled out. Which didn’t make sense. She says we had to fill them out but we are still taking part in the Count, I didn’t sign it. 

My question is. What happened if we have to be counted, but during Count, we don’t have the volume of Amazon we normally have now. With contract being up, that can really hurt our route evaluation. If post office knows we will be light on Amazon, they are probably betting on routes going down. And then magically, after Count, Amazon shows back up to current volumes. 

Seems like a dirty trick, get us to take part in Count, routes are evaluated lower, then amazon comes back after Count to bring routes back up to current eval, but PO pays us under the new Count eval.

So, if this happened, we’d be paid even less for doing the same work or more that we are doing now. Could they get away with this?

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Aren’t they supposed to notify us 30 days ahead of the count, if we’re being counted, or not??  Confused

Sandman… my guess is it’ll be a LOT more than just Amazon’s that won’t be showing up for the count…  Frown

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Aren’t they supposed to notify us 30 days ahead of the count, if we’re being counted, or not??  Confused

Sandman… my guess is it’ll be a LOT more than just Amazon’s that won’t be showing up for the count…  Frown  

The Union has already been notified that this is an Opt-out Count. That is all that was required. The period to Opt-out is from 1/22-2/2 and then mgmt must decide yes or no to those requests by 2/9. Our district has already said that no routes will be allowed to Opt-out. 

As to Amazons “disappearing”, that hasn’t happened in any of my previous counts that we’ve had them (5+ years), so I don’t expect it. BUT if you’re worried about it, document now, during and after count the amount of Amazons for your route. Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.

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The Union has already been notified that this is an Opt-out Count. That is all that was required. The period to Opt-out is from 1/22-2/2 and then mgmt must decide yes or no to those requests by 2/9. Our district has already said that no routes will be allowed to Opt-out. 

As to Amazons “disappearing”, that hasn’t happened in any of my previous counts that we’ve had them (5+ years), so I don’t expect it. BUT if you’re worried about it, document now, during and after count the amount of Amazons for your route. Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.  

“Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.”

 

I agree, yet a good steward would know to pull a request for info and get numbers from management regarding Amazon parcel volume, and also request the Amazon Contract with USPS be provided as well..   Anyways thats just my two cents.

 

JMHO

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stewy said

“Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.”

 

I agree, yet a good steward would know to pull a request for info and get numbers from management regarding Amazon parcel volume, and also request the Amazon Contract with USPS be provided as well..   Anyways thats just my two cents.

 

JMHO  

Unfortunately the burden of proof is always on us. Mgmt would likely find a way to alter that “provided” info so as it would not match what the carriers have noted. The Amazon contract is lost somewhere (I believe) in ‘The Twilight Zone”. 

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Sandman — “What happened if we have to be counted, but during Count, we don’t have the volume of Amazon we normally have now. “

—  The same things that happen when UPS and FedEx are seen more often out on the routes while drop-offs at the post office decline for the weeks during count and magazines, catalogs, and such just happen to arrive a week before count and a week after count, and which has been going on for decades:

a.  The USPS makes out, but some how is always “cash-strapped.”

b.  Rural routes remain under-evaluated

c.  The NRLCA says, “We know things happen, we just can not prove them.”

 

Some offices, such as “gotstamps” are fortunate with little or no reduction.

“Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.”

—  If filing a grievance, local manglement will say ” I / we did not have anything to do with the flow of mail during the count time frame.”

—  They might even be nice and say, “Yes, it did seem like mail volume was less than usual, but “it is what it is”.   ( boy, I used to hate hearing that phrase!! )

—  Most likely District will eventually send a reply to your memo as to why you didn’t sign off on the count numbers.   There is an excellent chance there will be a sheet with the “Mail Availability” box checked.  It’s the old “We can only pass along what we get from the mailers.   We can’t help it if the mailers chose to change their shipping dates.”

—  And watch out for Mother Nature as she usually will provide severe weather that disrupts mailings in some part of the nation.  And in some cases, shutting down mail delivery altogether for a couple or more days during count — such as happened in New England a few years back.

—  But still document, document, document — if only for the satisfaction that you know something was just not right about the volume during the count period.

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stewy said

“Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.”

 

I agree, yet a good steward would know to pull a request for info and get numbers from management regarding Amazon parcel volume, and also request the Amazon Contract with USPS be provided as well..   Anyways thats just my two cents.

 

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The Union has already been notified that this is an Opt-out Count. That is all that was required. The period to Opt-out is from 1/22-2/2 and then mgmt must decide yes or no to those requests by 2/9. Our district has already said that no routes will be allowed to Opt-out. 

As to Amazons “disappearing”, that hasn’t happened in any of my previous counts that we’ve had them (5+ years), so I don’t expect it. BUT if you’re worried about it, document now, during and after count the amount of Amazons for your route. Documentation is the only way to prove the “hanky-pinky” when filing a grievance.  

Did anybody ever confirm or deny that the Amazon contract was expiring in February???  Or was that just a vicious rumor…  Confused

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Faceindawind said
PM got email today about count.

Of 9 routes in mix between APO and RMPO only mine in APO and one in RMPO can option to opt out. We can opt in if we choose.   

Anybody else heard they might be able to opt out???  Confused

So far, Face is the only one I’ve heard saying this… everybody else seems to be saying they’re gonna have to count…  Cry

I filled out my form, and gonna hand it in… then the chips will fall where they may…  Cool

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D.B.Cooper said

Did anybody ever confirm or deny that the Amazon contract was expiring in February???  Or was that just a vicious rumor…  Confused  

Nothing has been said in my “circles” aside from here. Last summer, the Amazon contract was supposed to be ending but I guess it was saved. Why would they only agree to a 6-month contract? I don’t believe the rumor without seeing some proof on it? 

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PM signed my opt out today. Have copy. Tricky part is, it’s before the due date. It got my feeble brain cells spinning as to what…

I’m now guessing all routes will be counted due to the snail mail pace of IE study impacts for all routes.

The bigger question is… No contract no counts. So will IE results be shoved down our throats without a contract or not? If not talks could take a long time.

On another note… Keep track of your SPM pings. If none received through count they will back track and figure a daily average according to in house REP.

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